Comments for God and Butterfly http://godandbutterfly.net Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:31:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on The Biblical Curse of being a Woman by Rose http://godandbutterfly.net/2011/05/03/the-biblical-curse-of-being-a-woman/#comment-16773 Rose Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:31:06 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?p=929#comment-16773 Hi A.Woman There are so many errors and contradictions in the Bible that I will just list a few and then give you a link to a site that lists a bunch of them. The first big factual errors occur in Genesis with the creation story, God created day and night on the first day, but didn't create the sun until the fourth day after he created the plants on the third day. Another scientific error in Genesis is the description of a firmament dividing the waters below from the waters above, this firmament in Genesis is described as a literal dome or bowl which separates the sky from the earth. A couple contradictions in the New Testament are where the Gospels speak of the anointing of Jesus by the woman, Johns account is off by 4 days from the other Gospels. Another one is the preparation of the Passover, Johns Gospel places that event on the day of the crucifixion, whereas the other Gospels place it the day before. Here is a link to a site that lists many more: <a href="http://atheism.about.com/od/biblecontradictionserror/Bible_Contradictions_Errors_Bible_is_Full_of_Contradictions_Errors.htm" rel="nofollow">site link</a> Women most definitely are equal to men, it's only males that want to dominate women who believe differently. I am sure glad that the women suffragists didn't follow biblical teaching, otherwise you and I still would not have the right to vote or be able to get an education along with all the other freedoms we enjoy in this country...sad to say many other countries are still far behind in gender equality. The Bible views women as the property of men and that is why men love to use it as a weapon to beat women over the head with. I am quite surprised that you are so willing to accept a subservient position that allows men to dictate what you can do with you life. It makes no sense to say women are equal in God's eyes when you believe that God authored the Bible that says women are the property of men. The Church will never be perfect because it is made up of men, just like the Bible will never be perfect because it was written by men who made up a god in their own image and likeness. All the best, Rose Hi A.Woman
There are so many errors and contradictions in the Bible that I will just list a few and then give you a link to a site that lists a bunch of them. The first big factual errors occur in Genesis with the creation story, God created day and night on the first day, but didn’t create the sun until the fourth day after he created the plants on the third day. Another scientific error in Genesis is the description of a firmament dividing the waters below from the waters above, this firmament in Genesis is described as a literal dome or bowl which separates the sky from the earth. A couple contradictions in the New Testament are where the Gospels speak of the anointing of Jesus by the woman, Johns account is off by 4 days from the other Gospels. Another one is the preparation of the Passover, Johns Gospel places that event on the day of the crucifixion, whereas the other Gospels place it the day before. Here is a link to a site that lists many more: site link

Women most definitely are equal to men, it’s only males that want to dominate women who believe differently. I am sure glad that the women suffragists didn’t follow biblical teaching, otherwise you and I still would not have the right to vote or be able to get an education along with all the other freedoms we enjoy in this country…sad to say many other countries are still far behind in gender equality. The Bible views women as the property of men and that is why men love to use it as a weapon to beat women over the head with. I am quite surprised that you are so willing to accept a subservient position that allows men to dictate what you can do with you life. It makes no sense to say women are equal in God’s eyes when you believe that God authored the Bible that says women are the property of men.

The Church will never be perfect because it is made up of men, just like the Bible will never be perfect because it was written by men who made up a god in their own image and likeness.

All the best,
Rose

]]> Comment on The Biblical Curse of being a Woman by A. Woman http://godandbutterfly.net/2011/05/03/the-biblical-curse-of-being-a-woman/#comment-16751 A. Woman Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:47:25 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?p=929#comment-16751 Please elaborate on the "errors" of the Bible. Thanks! :) You are right on the part that we will never be equal with men. That's what we were cursed with many years ago. I agreed with you on that part. We are equal in God's eyes. It's in men's eyes where we aren't equal. Genesis 3:16 reads, "To the woman he said, 'I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.'" There were also many human errors that occurred in the church while waiting for His return. The prophecy of the antichrist includes this information. The antichrist was to come into the church and lead many astray. There were many reforms in the history of the church because of the human mistakes and misunderstandings. The earthly church will never be perfect. It's the holy church of saints which we strive for. And, yes, thank God for this country in which we have the freedom of religion! :) Please elaborate on the “errors” of the Bible. Thanks! :)
You are right on the part that we will never be equal with men. That’s what we were cursed with many years ago. I agreed with you on that part. We are equal in God’s eyes. It’s in men’s eyes where we aren’t equal. Genesis 3:16 reads, “To the woman he said, ‘I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.’”
There were also many human errors that occurred in the church while waiting for His return. The prophecy of the antichrist includes this information. The antichrist was to come into the church and lead many astray. There were many reforms in the history of the church because of the human mistakes and misunderstandings. The earthly church will never be perfect. It’s the holy church of saints which we strive for.
And, yes, thank God for this country in which we have the freedom of religion! :)

]]> Comment on The Biblical Curse of being a Woman by Rose http://godandbutterfly.net/2011/05/03/the-biblical-curse-of-being-a-woman/#comment-16547 Rose Sun, 15 Apr 2012 05:46:41 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?p=929#comment-16547 Hi A.Woman, You said: <blockquote> "It’s impossible to have collected all of those accounts and have their story fit so perfectly." </blockquote> The reality is that the Bible does not fit perfectly together, it is full of contradictions, errors, and outright falsehoods. Even with all the editing done by scribes trying to fix the errors a tremendous amount of errors still remain...and as for the prophecies, many of them are so ambiguous that they can be made to say just about anything you want, so the accuracy rate is pretty abysmal. People of all religious backgrounds have risked their lives and given up their lives for beliefs that we now know to be completely false, so that in and of itself means nothing. Think of all the Muslims who blow themselves up thinking they are doing the will of Allah. Of course it is totally your choice to believe as you see fit, that is the beauty of living in a free country. I do have to disagree with your statement though that Christianity brings out the best in people, because history shows quite the opposite...early church history is filled with violence pitting Christian against Christian, all because they held a slightly different belief. The bottom line is that anyone who studies the Bible in any depth soon realizes that it is a completely male-biased book, written by men who patterned its god after the male tribal war gods of the surrounding cultures, where women were considered property, and never equal with men...those are just the facts ma'am. Thanks for your comments, Rose Hi A.Woman,
You said:

“It’s impossible to have collected all of those accounts and have their story fit so perfectly.”

The reality is that the Bible does not fit perfectly together, it is full of contradictions, errors, and outright falsehoods. Even with all the editing done by scribes trying to fix the errors a tremendous amount of errors still remain…and as for the prophecies, many of them are so ambiguous that they can be made to say just about anything you want, so the accuracy rate is pretty abysmal.

People of all religious backgrounds have risked their lives and given up their lives for beliefs that we now know to be completely false, so that in and of itself means nothing. Think of all the Muslims who blow themselves up thinking they are doing the will of Allah.

Of course it is totally your choice to believe as you see fit, that is the beauty of living in a free country. I do have to disagree with your statement though that Christianity brings out the best in people, because history shows quite the opposite…early church history is filled with violence pitting Christian against Christian, all because they held a slightly different belief.

The bottom line is that anyone who studies the Bible in any depth soon realizes that it is a completely male-biased book, written by men who patterned its god after the male tribal war gods of the surrounding cultures, where women were considered property, and never equal with men…those are just the facts ma’am.

Thanks for your comments,
Rose

]]> Comment on The Biblical Curse of being a Woman by A. Woman http://godandbutterfly.net/2011/05/03/the-biblical-curse-of-being-a-woman/#comment-16545 A. Woman Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:54:48 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?p=929#comment-16545 That who created? Many people over thousands of years from all aspects of life physically wrote down God's words. It's impossible to have collected all of those accounts and have their story fit so perfectly. Impossible,unless of course, something more intelligent was behind it. All of the prophecies fit together, miraculously. I had a hard time this past year with my faith, to be honest. It was, in fact, over the same issue. I didn't know what to think at all. Every church service I went to, I bawled. I didn't want my family to know that I was struggling because I felt weak. I shouldn't be bothered by this. But what if all of this was a lie? Of course my family and peers would steer me towards the same direction I've always been led. I needed to figure it out myself. I eventually found myself back where I started, in the faith that is. Shouldn't that mean something? What about all of the people that risked their lives and eventually gave them up? When I look back at the time when I struggled with my faith, all I can see is pain. I was going through a lot of stress and there was nowhere I could go to. Now that I have God, I have peace. I have a reason to go out and be who I am. No matter who or what tries to knock me down, He is there to lift me up. I can go to Him and I have hope. If I had a choice to believe or not, which we all do, I would rather believe. It brings out the best in people, thinking that it's going to be ok in the end and we'll get through it. All because Jesus loves me. He loves you, too. That who created? Many people over thousands of years from all aspects of life physically wrote down God’s words. It’s impossible to have collected all of those accounts and have their story fit so perfectly. Impossible,unless of course, something more intelligent was behind it. All of the prophecies fit together, miraculously.

I had a hard time this past year with my faith, to be honest. It was, in fact, over the same issue. I didn’t know what to think at all. Every church service I went to, I bawled. I didn’t want my family to know that I was struggling because I felt weak. I shouldn’t be bothered by this. But what if all of this was a lie? Of course my family and peers would steer me towards the same direction I’ve always been led. I needed to figure it out myself.

I eventually found myself back where I started, in the faith that is. Shouldn’t that mean something? What about all of the people that risked their lives and eventually gave them up?

When I look back at the time when I struggled with my faith, all I can see is pain. I was going through a lot of stress and there was nowhere I could go to. Now that I have God, I have peace. I have a reason to go out and be who I am. No matter who or what tries to knock me down, He is there to lift me up. I can go to Him and I have hope.

If I had a choice to believe or not, which we all do, I would rather believe. It brings out the best in people, thinking that it’s going to be ok in the end and we’ll get through it. All because Jesus loves me. He loves you, too.

]]> Comment on Male Bias of the Bible: Part 3 by Pauline http://godandbutterfly.net/2011/06/16/male-bias-of-the-bible-part-3/#comment-16510 Pauline Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:12:27 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?p=1000#comment-16510 excellent stuff on here, Ill come back and read some more excellent stuff on here, Ill come back and read some more

]]> Comment on The Male Bias of the Bible by Rose http://godandbutterfly.net/the-male-bias-of-the-bible/#comment-15234 Rose Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:52:14 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?page_id=1070#comment-15234 Hi Sharon, thanks for stopping by to comment. Women are the hands that rock the cradle, giving them the power to teach their children from the cradle that all humans are equal. Women's equality is a right that many religions deny based on their sacred texts. It's time for women to rise up and reject any teaching that denies a woman equal rights with a man. Hi Sharon, thanks for stopping by to comment. Women are the hands that rock the cradle, giving them the power to teach their children from the cradle that all humans are equal. Women’s equality is a right that many religions deny based on their sacred texts. It’s time for women to rise up and reject any teaching that denies a woman equal rights with a man.

]]> Comment on The Male Bias of the Bible by Sharon http://godandbutterfly.net/the-male-bias-of-the-bible/#comment-15188 Sharon Mon, 19 Mar 2012 06:11:56 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?page_id=1070#comment-15188 Yes, indeed the Bible was written by men, just as History is written by the victors. From research it was Sir Francis Bacon that rewrote the King james Bible at the behest of the King to secure his Kingdom. When you look a little further "Allahtu" was also deleted and denied her rights (God's wife). Both the Feminine and Masculine are required in equal strength to grow a balanced sentient being. A child benefits from both Role Models equally, and when this is disrupted, it shows through insecurities, and emotional problems. We are a micro symbol of the world, and we need to create a harmonious balance through right choices and loving attitudes. It's time for God's Wife to Step into Her power and write Herstory. Yes, indeed the Bible was written by men, just as History is written by the victors. From research it was Sir Francis Bacon that rewrote the King james Bible at the behest of the King to secure his Kingdom.
When you look a little further “Allahtu” was also deleted and denied her rights (God’s wife). Both the Feminine and Masculine are required in equal strength to grow a balanced sentient being. A child benefits from both Role Models equally, and when this is disrupted, it shows through insecurities, and emotional problems. We are a micro symbol of the world, and we need to create a harmonious balance through right choices and loving attitudes. It’s time for God’s Wife to Step into Her power and write Herstory.

]]> Comment on DNA and the Bible Wheel by Sharon http://godandbutterfly.net/biblewheel-studies/dna-and-the-bible-wheel/#comment-15183 Sharon Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:34:39 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?page_id=109#comment-15183 Peter was crucified upside down, knowing that he had done wrong. Wrong to humanity, wrong to women. For from a woman he came, his journey dependent on her nurturing and her maternal bond. Without women life would stop....like the fruit without the bee....would cease to exist. Women are the way to creating Heaven on Earth. We have to teach our daughters that they stand at the forefront, and that theirs is the creative power to change the thinking of the next generation. For I AM 22 SONG and I WILL BE SUNG and every woman will come into her own power and be heard. We will stand in UNITY as ONE for our time has come, to take our place next to our men. Not behind, not under, but next to.....equal in every way. Blessings to all, Sharon = Sarah = Sister Peter was crucified upside down, knowing that he had done wrong. Wrong to humanity, wrong to women. For from a woman he came, his journey dependent on her nurturing and her maternal bond. Without women life would stop….like the fruit without the bee….would cease to exist. Women are the way to creating Heaven on Earth. We have to teach our daughters that they stand at the forefront, and that theirs is the creative power to change the thinking of the next generation. For I AM 22 SONG and I WILL BE SUNG and every woman will come into her own power and be heard. We will stand in UNITY as ONE for our time has come, to take our place next to our men. Not behind, not under, but next to…..equal in every way.
Blessings to all,
Sharon = Sarah = Sister

]]> Comment on About by Rose http://godandbutterfly.net/about/#comment-13751 Rose Tue, 28 Feb 2012 02:14:17 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?page_id=2#comment-13751 Hi Joy, I would very much enjoy seeing your painting of the sun illuminating the Bible Wheel when it is finished. Your encounter with the Bible Wheel hours after beginning your painting sounds like one of those wonderful synchronicities that has happened so frequently in my life. Like the transformation of a caterpillar into a butterfly my ideas on the meaning of the Bible Wheel have changed tremendously since beginning my blog 2 years ago. Though the patterns of the Bible Wheel remain as valid as ever, I no longer believe it was designed by the God spoken of in the Bible, because I no longer believe that God to be real. After countless hours of searching for answers I have come to the realization that the God of the Bible was formed in the minds of Bronze Age men and written by their hands. Any being that would be capable of creating the universe could not be as morally corrupt and biased against women as we find Yahweh of the Old Testament to be. I am sorry to say that Yahweh fits the perfect description of a male tribal war god that one finds in many other religions of the same time period. If you read through my blogs you will see that my heartfelt search continues to try and understand how such an awesome work of art like the Bible Wheel could have come to be. As always my mind remains open...that's what got me started in the first place. All the best, Rose Hi Joy, I would very much enjoy seeing your painting of the sun illuminating the Bible Wheel when it is finished. Your encounter with the Bible Wheel hours after beginning your painting sounds like one of those wonderful synchronicities that has happened so frequently in my life. Like the transformation of a caterpillar into a butterfly my ideas on the meaning of the Bible Wheel have changed tremendously since beginning my blog 2 years ago. Though the patterns of the Bible Wheel remain as valid as ever, I no longer believe it was designed by the God spoken of in the Bible, because I no longer believe that God to be real. After countless hours of searching for answers I have come to the realization that the God of the Bible was formed in the minds of Bronze Age men and written by their hands. Any being that would be capable of creating the universe could not be as morally corrupt and biased against women as we find Yahweh of the Old Testament to be. I am sorry to say that Yahweh fits the perfect description of a male tribal war god that one finds in many other religions of the same time period.

If you read through my blogs you will see that my heartfelt search continues to try and understand how such an awesome work of art like the Bible Wheel could have come to be. As always my mind remains open…that’s what got me started in the first place.

All the best,
Rose

]]> Comment on About by Joy Martin http://godandbutterfly.net/about/#comment-13668 Joy Martin Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:01:39 +0000 http://godandbutterfly.net/?page_id=2#comment-13668 Dear Rose, (beautiful name..my mom's name is Rosemary) I am so happy to have discovered the Bible wheel site and your blog "Godandbutterfly." I am a prophetic Christian artist and have always been drawn to butterflies, circles, sunsets, and, of course, the cross (go figure)! I am also an English teacher and have always read stories symbolically and, by nature, have searched for symbolism in religious art. Tonight, ironically as the planets align, the dots are connecting in the beautiful divine art of God's creation. When I saw how the the Bible wheel circle lines up with the solar system, a nautical shell, and connected Judaism and Christianity, I was amazed! I am currently working on a bowl to be auctioned off for "Soups for Souls" for the Neighborhood Christian Center where I live. I plan to go on a mission trip this summer to the Holy City and I wanted the bowl to have a design related to Matthew 28:19-20 and I envisioned a wheat field to symbolize the harvest. At first, I was going to paint a blue sky with clouds, but then I searched images on google for Matthew 28:19-20 and found a beatiful image of a wheat field with a sunset. Instead of painting the sun on the horizon, I have painted the sun as a full circle just above the horizon with the light from the sun's rays illuminating the Bible wheel (i painted this hours before discovering the Bible wheel on the internet). Now I am awestruck by the symbolism I didn't even realize that He was creating through me. I am thinking about painting a faint dove to represent the Holy Spirit in the middle of the circle. This is still a work in progress, as I pray for God to direct my brush strokes. The whole creative process for me takes days of research, Bible study, prayer, praise music, and "being still and knowing that He is God." I will try to post or email you an image of the finished work. I was amazed at how your stained glass window of the Bible wheel was illuminated at sunset! That made me think of the painting on the bowl that I had already started and the sunset revealing the glory of the Master Creator over the mission field. As for the butterflies, I have been painting images of butterflies for years with religious symbolism of new life. To me, the caterpillar is our earthly physical living body and the butterfly is our heavenly spiritual living body that will one day be with Christ. I look forward to reading your blog and reading and learning more about the Bible wheel. One last thing, a couple of nights ago, I was researching Messianic Jewish prophetic art and found a symbolic from the early church of the New Testament that was inscribed on an artifact. It had a menorah with a triangle and a fish with a triangle. The two triangles overlapped forming the Star of David if I am remembering it correctly in my mind's eye. Have you ever seen this image? It makes me think of the visual posted on Bible Wheel for Zach.'s vision. Just some thoughts...more to come soon. I pray that the Lord will continue to bless the ministry of you and your husband all the days of your life! Your Sister in Christ, Joy Dear Rose, (beautiful name..my mom’s name is Rosemary)
I am so happy to have discovered the Bible wheel site and your blog “Godandbutterfly.” I am a prophetic Christian artist and have always been drawn to butterflies, circles, sunsets, and, of course, the cross (go figure)! I am also an English teacher and have always read stories symbolically and, by nature, have searched for symbolism in religious art. Tonight, ironically as the planets align, the dots are connecting in the beautiful divine art of God’s creation. When I saw how the the Bible wheel circle lines up with the solar system, a nautical shell, and connected Judaism and Christianity, I was amazed! I am currently working on a bowl to be auctioned off for “Soups for Souls” for the Neighborhood Christian Center where I live. I plan to go on a mission trip this summer to the Holy City and I wanted the bowl to have a design related to Matthew 28:19-20 and I envisioned a wheat field to symbolize the harvest. At first, I was going to paint a blue sky with clouds, but then I searched images on google for Matthew 28:19-20 and found a beatiful image of a wheat field with a sunset. Instead of painting the sun on the horizon, I have painted the sun as a full circle just above the horizon with the light from the sun’s rays illuminating the Bible wheel (i painted this hours before discovering the Bible wheel on the internet). Now I am awestruck by the symbolism I didn’t even realize that He was creating through me. I am thinking about painting a faint dove to represent the Holy Spirit in the middle of the circle. This is still a work in progress, as I pray for God to direct my brush strokes. The whole creative process for me takes days of research, Bible study, prayer, praise music, and “being still and knowing that He is God.” I will try to post or email you an image of the finished work. I was amazed at how your stained glass window of the Bible wheel was illuminated at sunset! That made me think of the painting on the bowl that I had already started and the sunset revealing the glory of the Master Creator over the mission field. As for the butterflies, I have been painting images of butterflies for years with religious symbolism of new life. To me, the caterpillar is our earthly physical living body and the butterfly is our heavenly spiritual living body that will one day be with Christ. I look forward to reading your blog and reading and learning more about the Bible wheel. One last thing, a couple of nights ago, I was researching Messianic Jewish prophetic art and found a symbolic from the early church of the New Testament that was inscribed on an artifact. It had a menorah with a triangle and a fish with a triangle. The two triangles overlapped forming the Star of David if I am remembering it correctly in my mind’s eye. Have you ever seen this image? It makes me think of the visual posted on Bible Wheel for Zach.’s vision. Just some thoughts…more to come soon. I pray that the Lord will continue to bless the ministry of you and your husband all the days of your life!
Your Sister in Christ,
Joy

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